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	<title>Comments on: News Media that use Galleries to increase Page-views don&#8217;t increase Time-spent (Attention)</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-129474</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,

&gt;&gt;A lot of users who come to a story from an outside source bounce after going to a next page, and therefore the Time Spent metric is basically useless for most articles. 

That known fact, are more likely to provide an unfair advantage to Galleries, and even with that handicapped start, Articles win three times over (in the above example). 

&gt;&gt;I’ve noticed that slideshows for our publication tend to outperform articles in terms of time spent (keeping in mind what I just said in the above paragraph)

Very interesting (I am seeing the opposite). I would love to see some of your data on that.

cheers
d. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>>>A lot of users who come to a story from an outside source bounce after going to a next page, and therefore the Time Spent metric is basically useless for most articles. </p>
<p>That known fact, are more likely to provide an unfair advantage to Galleries, and even with that handicapped start, Articles win three times over (in the above example). </p>
<p>>>I’ve noticed that slideshows for our publication tend to outperform articles in terms of time spent (keeping in mind what I just said in the above paragraph)</p>
<p>Very interesting (I am seeing the opposite). I would love to see some of your data on that.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
d. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Tesser</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-129141</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Tesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

I&#039;m curious how you calculated Time Spent considering that it typically requires two time stamps (the entry page and a next page). A lot of users who come to a story from an outside source bounce after going to a next page, and therefore the Time Spent metric is basically useless for most articles. 

I&#039;ve noticed that slideshows for our publication tend to outperform articles in terms of time spent (keeping in mind what I just said in the above paragraph), and are great performers across all segments (new, loyal, etc). Bounce rates are also way lower for slideshows than articles. We will continue to use them as a way to boost impression counts for advertisers that are ordering via CPM (as you mentioned above, this makes a lot of sense from a business perspective). 

Cheers
Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how you calculated Time Spent considering that it typically requires two time stamps (the entry page and a next page). A lot of users who come to a story from an outside source bounce after going to a next page, and therefore the Time Spent metric is basically useless for most articles. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that slideshows for our publication tend to outperform articles in terms of time spent (keeping in mind what I just said in the above paragraph), and are great performers across all segments (new, loyal, etc). Bounce rates are also way lower for slideshows than articles. We will continue to use them as a way to boost impression counts for advertisers that are ordering via CPM (as you mentioned above, this makes a lot of sense from a business perspective). </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-106776</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carson,

Well, if nothing else - YOU and I agree! :-)

&gt;&gt;However, looking at it in time spent in aggregate is really the ah ha moment

I&#039;ve been doing presentations for News Media companies on this and given the right talk, proper data and the right visualization - most insiders certainly tend to get the point, but as long as advertisers are OK with the CPM not changing from Article to Galleries, they&#039;ll continue. And from a business point of view, I actually don’t blame them. 

Have a wonderful weekend
d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carson,</p>
<p>Well, if nothing else &#8211; YOU and I agree! :-)</p>
<p>>>However, looking at it in time spent in aggregate is really the ah ha moment</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing presentations for News Media companies on this and given the right talk, proper data and the right visualization &#8211; most insiders certainly tend to get the point, but as long as advertisers are OK with the CPM not changing from Article to Galleries, they&#8217;ll continue. And from a business point of view, I actually don’t blame them. </p>
<p>Have a wonderful weekend<br />
d.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-106729</link>
		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting analysis of a topic that, judging from the comments, seems near and dear to many web analysts. On my company&#039;s site, slideshow visitors spent about 8% more minutes/visit on the site than article visitors. So on the surface level, it seems like a good selling point. However, looking at it in time spent in aggregate is really the ah ha moment. Love the way you presented the data here. At this time, it&#039;s very difficult to convince editors to change direction when the advertisers don&#039;t seem to care. I am working hard to emphasize unique visitors in all our reports, but until the marketing community decides to educate itself on web analytics (or when pigs fly), I can&#039;t make a great business case to give up galleries. 

 Just discovered your blog and look forward to following. 

Carson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting analysis of a topic that, judging from the comments, seems near and dear to many web analysts. On my company&#8217;s site, slideshow visitors spent about 8% more minutes/visit on the site than article visitors. So on the surface level, it seems like a good selling point. However, looking at it in time spent in aggregate is really the ah ha moment. Love the way you presented the data here. At this time, it&#8217;s very difficult to convince editors to change direction when the advertisers don&#8217;t seem to care. I am working hard to emphasize unique visitors in all our reports, but until the marketing community decides to educate itself on web analytics (or when pigs fly), I can&#8217;t make a great business case to give up galleries. </p>
<p> Just discovered your blog and look forward to following. </p>
<p>Carson</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-96513</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gary,

Thanks for commenting. AND some very valid questions (observations). I honestly believe that news media in particular have been starved in regards to ACTUAL insights, so I certainly have more comments to make on the subject matter.. 

One note (even though that&#039;s probably not what you are implying). A Time Spent increase because of true interest (such as your scenario above) would in most cases, equal a fair VALUE increase, no matter the CTR rate. I do agree that for some ad systems or some ad sales teams, CTR might represent the advertising product value directly (or indirectly as a proxy for CPM value), but I think we&#039;ll see that change.  

have a great weekend
d. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gary,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. AND some very valid questions (observations). I honestly believe that news media in particular have been starved in regards to ACTUAL insights, so I certainly have more comments to make on the subject matter.. </p>
<p>One note (even though that&#8217;s probably not what you are implying). A Time Spent increase because of true interest (such as your scenario above) would in most cases, equal a fair VALUE increase, no matter the CTR rate. I do agree that for some ad systems or some ad sales teams, CTR might represent the advertising product value directly (or indirectly as a proxy for CPM value), but I think we&#8217;ll see that change.  </p>
<p>have a great weekend<br />
d. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Gary O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-96308</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis:

I&#039;m glad to see you addressing this question. I agree with a lot of what&#039;s been said here, but I also believe what nic said above:

&quot;On the other hand, some pictures have an enourmous effect on click-rates by touching people emotionally. Would be interesting to see, if your Time Spent metric correlates with ad-clicks (although I doubt that, but I like to be surprised).&quot;

My experience is that when we have a particularly touching or emotionally compelling set of images that our time spent tends to go up.

Keep up the good work - this is my first time here, I will be back.

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you addressing this question. I agree with a lot of what&#8217;s been said here, but I also believe what nic said above:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the other hand, some pictures have an enourmous effect on click-rates by touching people emotionally. Would be interesting to see, if your Time Spent metric correlates with ad-clicks (although I doubt that, but I like to be surprised).&#8221;</p>
<p>My experience is that when we have a particularly touching or emotionally compelling set of images that our time spent tends to go up.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work &#8211; this is my first time here, I will be back.</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-92145</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kris,

Thanks for the thumbs up mate. AND I agree that Video is not to be aligned with Galleries - at all - actually. 

d. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kris,</p>
<p>Thanks for the thumbs up mate. AND I agree that Video is not to be aligned with Galleries &#8211; at all &#8211; actually. </p>
<p>d. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kris G</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-92136</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis I&#039;m a first time reader, and this is the first post I&#039;ve read.  It&#039;s safe to say I will be a long time reader now.

I&#039;m an analyst for a major media company in Canada, and would agree with a lot that has been said.  Video definately brings much more engagement, and with pre-roll video ads available, advertisers get great exposure and pay more for their value.

Kris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis I&#8217;m a first time reader, and this is the first post I&#8217;ve read.  It&#8217;s safe to say I will be a long time reader now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an analyst for a major media company in Canada, and would agree with a lot that has been said.  Video definately brings much more engagement, and with pre-roll video ads available, advertisers get great exposure and pay more for their value.</p>
<p>Kris</p>
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		<title>By: george naing</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-84679</link>
		<dc:creator>george naing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intuitively, we suspect that gallaries etc are more of a distraction than anything else. Now you provide some substantial proof.
BTW, here I recommend your book. I also thank your here for your book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intuitively, we suspect that gallaries etc are more of a distraction than anything else. Now you provide some substantial proof.<br />
BTW, here I recommend your book. I also thank your here for your book</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis R. Mortensen</title>
		<link>http://visualrevenue.com/blog/2010/01/using-galleries-to-increase-page-views-dont-increase-time-spent.html#comment-83037</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis R. Mortensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nic,

Thanks for commenting. AND it&#039;s nice to hear that we have SMARTER advertisers out there. -  Not a bad question at all, in regards to correlation in between ad-CTR and Galleries, so I am taking notes for future posts. 

n.b. I would love to hear any indication of the Gallery &quot;Discount&quot; ??

Have a great weekend
d. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nic,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting. AND it&#8217;s nice to hear that we have SMARTER advertisers out there. &#8211;  Not a bad question at all, in regards to correlation in between ad-CTR and Galleries, so I am taking notes for future posts. </p>
<p>n.b. I would love to hear any indication of the Gallery &#8220;Discount&#8221; ??</p>
<p>Have a great weekend<br />
d. :-)</p>
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